Is this Proof that Derren Brown’s Apocalypse was Staged and Fake? Is Steve Brosnan an Actor

I have always been a big fan of Derren Brown. I have seen everything he has done. I realise that he’s an “entertainer” and not everything is how it seems. I have just watched Derren Brown’s Apocalypse on catchup TV and I was blown away. It was an amazing show.

However, after a little research is seems that the “victim” could be an actor. The rumours have started on Twitter already and it unfortunately looks like a “stooge” may have been used. If these alegations turn out to be true then I will be gutted and will question everything Derren has done in the past.

Anyway, on with the screenshots.

Lots of people on forums has researched our victim and posted a link to suggest that he was an actor. Pay close attention to the Twitter account link on the screenshot below.

(Edit: This profile has been confirmed as genuine by Steve himself on a YouTube video with Derren Brown).

Steve Brosnan on ProfessionalPeople.org

Steve Brosnan on ProfessionalPeople.org. Look at the Twitter username. Click to enlarge.

 

Here is a screenshot of the Twitter account. There is no doubt that this is our man!

Steve Brosnan's Twitter account.

Steve Brosnan’s Twitter account. Click to enlarge.

 

The profile on ProfessionalPeople.org has since been changed. His height, weight, eye colour, hair colour, ethnicity all changed which suggests that they know that they have been rumbled. Again take note of the URL bar and the Twitter account link. Also note the haste of the profile edit. He’s described as “Very Large” but his weight is 7 stone.

Steve Brosnan's profile changed to Craig Harwood.

Steve Brosnan’s profile changed to Craig Harwood. Click to enlarge.

 

If you want further evidence then check out his Facebook page. Filming on the set for a BBC pilot.

Steve Brosnan on Facebook. Starring in an Adam Buxton BBC TV pilot.

Steve Brosnan on Facebook. Filming on the set for a BBC pilot. Click to enlarge.

 

UPDATE: The profile on ProfessionalPeople.org has changed again 😀 The Twitter account link has been removed.

Profile has changed again! The Twitter Link has now been removed

Profile has changed again! The Twitter Link has now been removed. Click to enlarge.

 

All the above 99.9% confirms what I do not want to hear. Make up your own minds about this. Part 2 should be interesting.

The link to his acting profile can be found at http://www.professionalpeople.org/actors/uk/view.php?uid=291520 although I think that this will probably be deleted at some point.

 

Also, here is the “disappearing bottles” scene (continuity error?) that people are talking about. Some people claim that the bottles rolled out of shot due to the ambulance moving. You will notice that the ambulance was not moving.

 

 


29/10/2012:

I notice that Channel 4 have stated, “Steven is not and never has been a professional actor.”

We didn’t suggest that he is a professional actor. This would mean that acting is his full time job. Someone that does acting as a hobby or to make a few extra quid in their spare time is NOT a professional actor. Channel 4 are playing this cool but to use the word “professional” makes a lot of difference to this argument. Many people would not know the difference between an “actor” and a “professional actor”.


Derren posts Q&A and tackles the issues raised on this blog:  http://derrenbrown.co.uk/apocalypse-qa/

There are a couple of contradictions for example, saying, “Misleading the public in a TV show is a big deal, and a massive lie like that wouldn’t be permitted by the channel.”

Despite this, he has misled the public before with the “real bullet” Russian Roulette stunt which was later debunked by the police: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1443556/Russian-roulette-gun-loaded-with-blank.html

Also, Derren used a professional actress in one of his Trick of the Mind TV shows. See:  http://aboutderrenbrown.blogspot.co.uk/2008/07/revealed-derren-brown-used-actress-in_24.html


 

Derren’s video response on Steve not being an actor. The truth? Denying accusations is not exactly considered to be the “truth”. Do you trust politicians when they deny rumours or allegations?




UPDATE: 30/10/2012:

This webpage has been found at twicsy.com (a Twitter search engine) containing a Tweet from Steve Brosnan: http://twicsy.com/i/6RACbc  In case it gets deleted, here is a screenshot. There are lots of deleted photos on the page too.

Did Steve already know the plot of Apocalypse as far back as the 17th August? A Tweet suggests he did as there are a couple of references to the Wizard of Oz, just like on the show itself. Steve was being taken to a gig on the coach a day before his birthday which is the 1st September.

Did Steve Brosnan already know the plot of Apocalypse?

Did Steve Brosnan already know the plot of Apocalypse before filming? Note the Wizard of Oz references and the date of the Tweet.

 

Watch Derren Brown’s Apocalypse – Part 1 & Part 2 online via Youtube.

Part 1 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T28Du5bHbdg

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQQgwyeUuv0

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Posted on October 28, 2012 at 10:05 am by Grumpy Git · Permalink
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  1. Written by Poppy
    on 27/10/2012 at 12:28 pm
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    Cheers for the screen shots, was thinking I’d gone mad, having posted a link to ‘Steve Brosnan’ and then it becoming ‘Craig Harwood’. Completely agree with you. As I was watching, I began thinking that it was completely ethically unsound to do this on an innocent member of the public, and that surely Brown would be leaving himself open to lawsuits should the ‘victim’ suffer any psychological implications. The privacy violations alone are completely beyond what is legally acceptable, irrespective of whether his family had given permission. Anyone with a brain and slight knowledge of this country’s legal system can see this whole thing had to be a farce.

  2. Written by Grumpy Git
    on 27/10/2012 at 12:31 pm
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    Cheers for the comment. You make some good points. Still gutted though 🙁 I was really looking forward to part 2 but now I’m not bothered.

  3. Written by Complete Sod
    on 27/10/2012 at 12:57 pm
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    Great bit of research. I noticed at one point Steve called the little girl “Katie”, despite her character being called Leona. Be interesting to know what her real name is – if it’s Katie then obviously they’d spent time together beforehand.

  4. Written by Faked Out
    on 27/10/2012 at 1:14 pm
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    Thanks for this! I too spotted it then it disappeared!

    By changing it, all they’ve done is prove it’s a set up. By leaving it they could have just shrugged and said well, aspiring performers are always looking for chances on TV (just as they do with X Factor etc) and it so happened he passed the tests. Now it looks like they’ve panicked at being caught out.

    #derrenbrownfail

  5. Written by Grumpy Git
    on 27/10/2012 at 1:23 pm
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    Oh wow. I didn’t notice the Katie thing. I will have to watch it again!

  6. Written by natalie
    on 27/10/2012 at 1:32 pm
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    haha i have never seen a very large 7 stone man or an asian with red hair and blue eyes! really gutted this was fake 🙁

  7. Written by Jess
    on 27/10/2012 at 1:34 pm
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    Well done!!! I have known for a while because I came across this years ago:

    http://aboutderrenbrown.blogspot.co.uk/2008/07/revealed-derren-brown-used-actress-in_24.html

    Also I attended one of his stage shows and one of the “members of the audience” was obviously an actor, because they were terrible and so obviously fake, and this in a nutshell shows us how Derren does this- by using stooges! What irks me is Derren denies using stooges and actors, he is quick enough to jump on mediums saying they are fraudulent because they make money by lying to people-he is doing thew same, this evidence needs to be posted everywhere, I used to like Derren too, but he is a conning liar and to be fair that should be revealed.

  8. Written by Jeff
    on 27/10/2012 at 1:39 pm
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    This is pretty conclusive, the fact that the page changed twice as soon as this story started breaking real hard, is case closed. Unless Darren comes out with a REAL good response, I’m done with anything he touches completely. It’s like those magicians who use camera tricks but repeatedly say NO CAMERA TRIX HERE BOYZ AND GIRZL!

    BUT, to everyone who immediately shouts “oh god he would be sued, lawsuits up his ass”. … … it’s called a release form, which he would have signed during this audition. You can go skydiving, sign the release form, drop to the ground like a stone completely dead, and there’s nothing your family can do about it. That’s the nature of contracts. Most people don’t even read them. But, I still think this is faked from available evidence.

  9. Written by LadyV
    on 27/10/2012 at 1:46 pm
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    Great work you have done here. But i may have more info for you. As it turns out, Derren met Iain Sharkey (now a co-writer of his) when Sharkey appeared as a volunteer on the Seance special. Behind the Mischief includes footage of Sharkey screaming on Seance. How does one start as a “volunteer” to end up as co-writer unless its something dodgy?

  10. Written by Liz
    on 27/10/2012 at 1:54 pm
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    The girl’s real name is Jordan, look at the credits yourself.

  11. Written by Scrumdiddly
    on 27/10/2012 at 1:54 pm
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    I think this is exactly what Derren wants us to think. Watching last night, something didn’t add up, and I am starting to believe that this show is far more about the audience than the show itself. Do you honestly think that with all the planning that goes in to his shows and with the size of his production team, they would make such a huge mistake with regards to leaving info regarding the main character on the internet?Of course not, if you were going to use an actor, the first thing you would do is get rid of any evidence. There is definitely more to this than meets the eye, I just don’t know what!

  12. Written by Craig
    on 27/10/2012 at 1:59 pm
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    You make a good argument! However I’m not sure the Facebook page counts as evidence. The caption next to the Adam Buxton picture merely says “filming on the set for a BBC pilot of his”. This could easily mean “ADAM BUXTON filming on set for a BBC pilot of his”, rather than “ME filming on set for BBC pilot of his”.

    The rest of the argument is pretty sound but I just thought I’d try to stick up for Derren a bit 🙂

  13. Written by Connor
    on 27/10/2012 at 2:01 pm
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    To be fair i think this guy is an actor and like it has been stated before, there is no way you would get insurance for this kind of show because there are numerous things that could go badly wrong in a real life scenario. However it isnt out with the realm of possibility that the guy become an actor after being on this show as it was filmed months ago. Would be a pretty big coincidence though!!

  14. Written by Tim Baber
    on 27/10/2012 at 2:02 pm
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    Er, please be careful how far you go to wreck this programme.
    I have a feeling in my water based on a couple of facts, that someone else was supposed to have all this rough treatment.
    I am early retired, but quite childish and a hypnotist girlfriend found me very trusting. Trying toi be my own man Derren Brown has been a pilot for me in the example he has forged in his many subjects. I won a £4,000 holiday to Can Cun where Derren was also a VIP, and some days away I saw him walk past me in a disguise. My girlfriend in the Philippines had just been diagnosed with first TB and then Leprosy, amidst floods and no way to help her. But mentally I can be tough in so far as I know lots about Monarch Programming, and my hyperthymia is balanced by hyper vigilance. When I told my girlfriend she was misdiagnosed, and she had been, I felt I was walking over the cracks Derren might have papered over for me until then. Do I not mind being a possible back up zombie victim? Hey, Derren will know how much of this is relevant, not me. I am just a victim of my own hyper-vigilance that got me here. Where? I do not know. But Derren might, or, er, well, who else does this stuff. I would prefer to be mind zorbed by Derren than those Monarch Programming people. They are the real villan here. They are…er… Moriarty in the sense of (They Might be Giants”

  15. Written by Grumpy Git
    on 27/10/2012 at 2:02 pm
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    I hope you’re right!

  16. Written by Grumpy Git
    on 27/10/2012 at 2:05 pm
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    Yes, good point. I would love to stick up for Derren myself but I am a little disappointed. I would love to see/hear some proof to the contrary.

  17. Written by Bri Mac
    on 27/10/2012 at 2:06 pm
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    heres a clip of “steve Brosnan” in a zugos ad that sponsor friends on comedy central. there are a few clips so you can check the youtube channel and see more clips of him.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG6E7mqvY_Y&feature=share&list=UUjpHRF4XcCTNCccybRqUf7Q

  18. Written by chris soukis
    on 27/10/2012 at 2:07 pm
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    I noticed some bottles of water next to Steve in the ambulance. You can clearly see them changing position from one cam shot to the other. Doesn’t that imply that the scene was severely edited?

  19. Written by Grumpy Git
    on 27/10/2012 at 2:10 pm
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    hahaha great comment. I hope I’m wrong and as someone pointed out already that the joke is somehow on us with a twist at the end. As for being cursed by Derren, I have all those things already.

  20. Written by brian
    on 27/10/2012 at 2:11 pm
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  21. Written by Jess
    on 27/10/2012 at 2:11 pm
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    Also with all the “you wouldnt get insurance” reasons, why does derren lie then and say he doesn’t use actors and stooges?? He obviously does and has for years, therefore what is the point in watching anything he does when it is all faked and Derren is lying and making money from the lies?

  22. Written by Jess
    on 27/10/2012 at 2:14 pm
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    Wanted to add that, even IF the “joke was on us” and derren has used an actor on purpose (highly unlikely) then can anyone tell me why he has used actors in the past and has always lied and said he never uses them? Never mind this show, but all the other shows he has done!

  23. […] What do people think of Derren Brown's latest show? Is it real? Some suspicious stuff here: http://www.grumpymiddleagedman.co.uk…snan-as-actor/ […]

  24. Written by Mikey
    on 27/10/2012 at 3:32 pm
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    I think there are a few good points here, some mentioned above that I agree with. As Scrumdiddly said, with all the planning that Derren and his team have put into this show, there is no way he would not ensure that any traces of acting accounts for Steve on the internet had been removed prior to the show being aired. I’m 100% on this.

    Derren has always said that if he did use stooges/actors, his career would be over. And no-one has ever come forward saying “I was Derren’s stooge” in order to make money out of the papers have they?

    Someone mentioned that face Derren always states that “no actors or stooges were used in the making of this programme…”. Actually, when Channel 4 air one of his shows with this disclaimer, Channel 4 are categorically NOT permitted to mislead viewers by effectively lying to them. They simply would not do it.

    I have been to his ENIGMA show. My friend has been selected for the Spirit cabinet section. My friend is definitely not a stooge and she has no idea what happened or how whilst she was in there.

    I wonder, although unlikely, if Apocalypse has intentionally used an actor as a test for the viewers to see how moral it is to watch and be entertained by watching someone in a living nightmare?

    The plot thickens…

  25. Written by TinHatty
    on 27/10/2012 at 3:34 pm
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    Also going into the public transport “steven” is very careful to cover up the brand labels on his beverage (soft drink? water?) with his hand.

  26. Written by Anon
    on 27/10/2012 at 3:41 pm
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    This is a very interesting discussion.. But I can 100% confirm Steve is not an actor. He is a friend of mine and he really isnt. He set up his own cleaning buisness like last year, it never really took off but thats what he does. He also delivers bouncy castles to kids parties which is his dad business.

    I know its hard to believe but this really did happen.. Steve completely new nothing about this whatsoever.

  27. Written by LadyV
    on 27/10/2012 at 3:49 pm
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    Then pls can you explain away all the evidence found as to why and how Steve IS an actor and has done acting work?

  28. Written by Hiltonite
    on 27/10/2012 at 3:51 pm
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    I have a few points to make:
    1) Just because he is an actor, it doesn’t mean he is acting. What’s clear from the evidence is that he has had acting roles in the past and is signed up to casting call websites. So what? I’ve been in adverts before too but I know that the significance of this is very little – it’s not exactly CV content.

    2) When describing the victim as lazy and not being able to hold down a job, Derren Brown did not mention his acting. Why? Because if it was stated at the beginning of the show that Steve has done some acting roles then the audience would immediately call into question whether or not the experiment was fake or real.

    3) There would be no point in faking the entire show, to then not ensure that the lead victim, Steve, had his acting evidence removed from the internet. For example why isn’t his facebook profile private? Why is he listed on acting websites? The reason is because there is nothing to cover up.

    4) Steves brother’s fb profile is here: http://www.facebook.com/barrybrosnan?fref=ts – check out the cover photo of the family and Derren. Why have something so blatant if it was all faked?

    5) Ultimately, there would be no point in faking the entire thing. I don’t understand why people furiously scour the internet for evidence of it being faked. Anyone who does this is almost willing for it to be a fake, so any supporting evidence is skewed way out of proportion.

    Rant over

  29. Written by Grumpy Git
    on 27/10/2012 at 3:53 pm
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    People look for evidence because Derren’s shows are so good and sometimes beyond belief. There will always be sceptics.

  30. Written by @ewansomers
    on 27/10/2012 at 4:03 pm
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    Really interesting!

    At first, I was really gutted when I read this but being an “actor in training” myself, I can confirm that being on casting websites means nothing in terms of “faking” it.

    As for the advert, something doesn’t add up…I was watching that advert the other day. SURELY Derren Brown wouldn’t use him AS AN ACTOR if he was going to be in adverts that are currently being shown. It doesn’t make sense. Derren Brown is definitely not an idiot. People don’t get away with that sort of thing now that we have the internet!

    Really hoping for a twist because I’ll be gutted otherwise. I was on the edge of my seat last night!

  31. Written by Complete Sod
    on 27/10/2012 at 4:17 pm
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    What planet are you on? The guy’s an actor, clearly proven by internet documents and videos of him acting. No mention of this in the show, just that he couldn’t hold down a job.

    Brown’s been caught bang-to-rights, and you’re trying to suggest it was some deep, Machiavellian attempt to subvert the format. What, exactly, is the life-changing message we’re supposed to take from finding out he isn’t actually a real person? If anything, it completely overwhelms the message of the show about how this guy is supposed to be taking his life for granted, because nobody’s talking about that; we’re all talking about how he is a plant.

    Occam’s razor, which in this case is: it’s all staged.

  32. Written by LadyV
    on 27/10/2012 at 4:20 pm
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    Which comes the question why has he used actors before? If he is going to use an actor to just act in his shows, no actor is going to not act ever again just because they have been or going to be on Derren Brown. The chances of using at least 2 actors by chance is very small. I know actors are “just people” but if I was Derren and legit, I would not use actors even though they are meant to be civilians. I dont get why he would use an actor where information is available on the internet but it also doesnt make sense why he would use someone that is an actor when it would get people talking anyway (as it has done before). I dont buy Derren wouldnt know he was an actor, ask some questions, do some research etc to cover himself in case something like this happened. Derren has to know about the people he will be working with, the people that had supposedly applied to be on his show. In my opinion, I keep coming back to the only possible theory – he used an actor to act. Its the only thing that makes sense. I dont think there is going to be a twist at the end, I was waiting for a twist when his Lottery show was on and I didnt get it. If there was a twist and the twist was Derren admitted to using actors, the implication would be dire. Derren has used an actor, how many other times has he used actors, how can we trust him now etc “No stooges or ACTORS are used in the show” Derrens own words, an actor is an actor and an actor is still an actor even if they arent acting.

  33. Written by Sailor 25
    on 27/10/2012 at 4:30 pm
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    You can go skydiving, sign the release form, drop to the ground like a stone completely dead, and there’s nothing your family can do about it. That’s the nature of contracts.

    Actually no that’s not the nature of contracts.

    Contract law is very complex but they would still be required to provide a safe service and if it was found they had been negligent you could still sue them to oblivion.

    Think about it if I added a clause to the end of your 300 page long phone contract that said also by signing this we now own your money, life and soul would that make it legal.

    Of course not.

  34. Written by Grumpy Git
    on 27/10/2012 at 4:37 pm
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    Test

  35. Written by Derren Brown Exposed
    on 27/10/2012 at 4:39 pm
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    The mystery of the dissapearing water bottles….

    http://derrenbrownexposed.tumblr.com/post/34418279217/when-steve-and-leona-are-in-the-ambulance-two

    Can anyone explain it?

  36. Written by shannon colins
    on 27/10/2012 at 4:44 pm
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    Surely if steve was an actor we would have seen or recognised him from something before? The page with his acting details could have been set up for all we know. And to be a 100% honest. He can be an actor cause if that was acting, it was the worst acting I have ever seen! Think about it before you all turn detective about it. Derren brown would not be so stupid to let something like this slip and therefore ruin his career.
    End of.

  37. Written by Grumpy Git
    on 27/10/2012 at 4:51 pm
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    test

  38. Written by Derren Brown Exposed
    on 27/10/2012 at 4:51 pm
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    Here he is in a TV advert

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9-vAf5O7jw

    doesn’t necessarily proove anything but it does seem suspicious

  39. Written by shannon colins
    on 27/10/2012 at 4:52 pm
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    If steve was an actor would they have not used a different name in apocalypse???? I rest my case.

  40. Written by comagirl
    on 27/10/2012 at 4:53 pm
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    I thought the bottles rolled to the side, under Steve’s feet as the ambulance turned sharply?

    I agree it all seems too obvious and the show just seemed odd (even for Derren).

    I really hope there is a twist (similar to Remote Control from The Experiments) other wise it looks very sloppy.

  41. Written by Jess
    on 27/10/2012 at 4:56 pm
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    People are still missing the point that he HAS also used actors in the past, the proof is there- he was stupid enough to do that! I used to love what Derren did but I have seen way too much and know about the actors/stooges side to know he isnt 100% honest about all this.
    Maybe Derren didn’t count on anybody looking up this guy? Or really just doesn’t give a shit because he can just deny it no matter how much evidence there is like he has been for years, and the general public are none the wiser about all this. Speaking as a fan of his for many years, sometimes you just have to admit the truth-he has used actors/stooges and it seems he is still doing that, shame, but lets face it when something seems to good to be true-like all Derrens awesome stuff, it is because it usually is.

  42. Written by Jess
    on 27/10/2012 at 4:57 pm
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    Thanks for posting that again, seems people are ignoring the evidence that he has actually acted in something.

  43. Written by shannon colins
    on 27/10/2012 at 4:58 pm
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    So because he was in a 2second advert, means to say he’s an award winning actor? No. He went for the derren brown audition like it said at the beginning of the episode. To me it doesn’t look like he was acting in the apocalypse at all!! He may be an actor in some silly little advert but that does not it anyway mean he was acting for derren brown. And besides in that advert it doesn’t even look like him :/ your all to quick to jump to conclusions. Maybe if you sat down and thought about it?

  44. Written by Grumpy Git
    on 27/10/2012 at 5:02 pm
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    Actor or not, his reaction when he saw the emergency broadcast in the hospital was pretty good. It looked like real shock and fear. Some good debate here.

  45. Written by Manda
    on 27/10/2012 at 5:05 pm
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    They changed camera shots inbetween the “water bottle” shots, meaning Steven or Leona could have picked them up because they were rolling about the place. I’m sure it would get very annoying if they were going batshit because the Ambulance driver’s obviously driving like a maniac. And Steven grabs the bottle nearest to help stop them rolling about. You can see them in previous shots going ape. When Ian (Anbluance man) talks to them, Steven’s position changes: his right hand is clasped onto his knee, and the water bottles have moved behind his right leg. He’s just moved them to get them out of the way, that’s it.

  46. Written by shannon colins
    on 27/10/2012 at 5:06 pm
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    maybe because it was REAL shock and fear. He was “living a nightmare” I’m sorry but any normal person would be scared and that don’t need to be acting.
    If he was and actor do u not think they would of changed his name to avoid things like this? Come on guys think about it.

  47. Written by Jess
    on 27/10/2012 at 5:06 pm
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    But isnt it amazing that Derren has so many actors in these shows. Maybe it is all just coincidence? lol I am “jumping” to this conclusion based on what has been found and the fact HE HAS USED ACTORS BEFORE, as well as one of the staring guys in portmerrion coming out and admitting it was all faked!- why is that being ignored here?? Maybe some people here need to sit and think about that?

  48. Written by Derren Brown Exposed
    on 27/10/2012 at 5:10 pm
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    This happened when the ambulance stopped and Ian opened the back door.

    Between the start and end of Ian introducing himself both bottles have moved and steve is in a completely different position.

  49. Written by Jess
    on 27/10/2012 at 5:12 pm
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    Anyway I have said my peice on it, it seems the die hard Derren Brown fans (I was one myself once) will not accept that Derren could actually be doing things that arent what he claims, ie using actors and it all being a set up, I understand the fans dont want to see that because to them Derren is a god who can do no wrong, shame for them they ignore the cold hard facts in all this that he has used actors before, IMO Derren is just like any other entertainer, and probably not very truthful. He is quick enough to jump on psychics and mediums for cold reading and using stooges, and saying that is the ONLY way that they can do what they do- the same can be said about what he does and considering he HAS done the using actors/stooges and camera tricks, he is a hypocrite. I stopped trusting in him a long time ago.

  50. Written by Derren Brown Exposed
    on 27/10/2012 at 5:13 pm
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    The ambulance had stopped

  51. Written by dave
    on 27/10/2012 at 5:18 pm
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    How does one meet someone in a pub and become a friend….
    No fucking idea they must have known each other from birth

  52. Written by Clofabs
    on 27/10/2012 at 5:24 pm
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    Whilst we’re all wasting our time trying to figure out whether this guy is an actor, I thought I’d share my findings:

    The dude in the Zugos ad is Karl Greenwood, here is his castingcallpro profile
    http://www.castingcallpro.com/uk/view.php?uid=242736

    …and its an interesting point that this is what a more typical castingcallpro profile looks like (loads of stuff, even for somebody who has just appeared in some zugos ad – not just one play in 2008!)

  53. Written by katie
    on 27/10/2012 at 5:26 pm
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    I heard the Katie thing but it didnt really register

  54. Written by shannon colins
    on 27/10/2012 at 5:27 pm
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    Umm jess, I don’t know who you think your talking to. But seems to me like your just ignorant to the fact that there may be other options. Yes your ‘jumping’ to conclusions based of facts that are primarily not true and if you, yourself took the time to research it maybe you would open ur mind a little. Hmm sounds like a good idea to me.

  55. Written by Clofabs
    on 27/10/2012 at 5:31 pm
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    Whilst we’re all wasting our time obsessing about whether Derren uses actors or not, I thought I’d share something I found:

    The guy in the Zugos ad is Karl Greenwood
    http://www.castingcallpro.com/uk/view.php?uid=242736

    They just look VERY similar!

    …also, Karl’s castingcallpro profile is a lot more typical i.e. it has about a billion entries for stuff he’s been in even though you’ve never heard of him! Steve’s profile has just one entry – a play in 2008.

  56. Written by katie
    on 27/10/2012 at 5:32 pm
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    Ive seen his live shows and most people that people that are chosen are chosen in the most randon of ways, throwing a frisbee, catching a balloon, cud no way fix that….but a TV show like this, easily done….a theory of mine may be a silly one, but maybe this set up isnt for ‘Steve’ but is actually for the public.

  57. Written by polygon
    on 27/10/2012 at 5:32 pm
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    Just a thought, but maybe a lot of actors apply to take part in his projects. I reckon they’re the sort of people who volunteer, entertaining type people who have done acting in the past and admire Derren Brown. Maybe they wanted to hide the fact he was an actor because it would damage the effect, and it was all a coincidence. But I don’t understand why Derren Brown wouldn’t just pick someone who wasn’t an actor to avoid confrontation. 

    Also, if he were to employ an actor, this actor would have to realise that they couldn’t ever succeed at acting as it would ruin his reputation. And a good point was raised about the fact that a hell of a lot of time and money have gone into this, they wouldn’t just make sloppy mistakes like this.

  58. Written by George
    on 27/10/2012 at 5:38 pm
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    Anyone thought that some person, maybe even the guy who started this thread could have made the profile up to start a problem with Derren Brown?
    I have myself been hypnotised and been on stage with derren before an can tell you that i am not a so called stooge.
    I know that apocalypse is a huge production peace but everything derren has ever done has been done in a safe way and no harm or danger has come to anyone. He checks out all the risks and aims to cover them up.
    Apocalypse is actually a merger of two of his previous shows ‘hero at 30,000 feet’ and a zombie style shoot ’em up game that was in trick of the mind. Therefore he would not need to use an actor to set this sort of show up because of his past experience.
    Magicians and hypnotists use props and the way the body reacts to different situations for the outcome that they are after. Derren in this show can use lots of props and the human mind would go into meltdown and so lots of strong images and events can be used in this situation, thefore meaning that steve can go along with it.

    I personally didn’t hear him call the girl katie but even if he did maybe he just forgot her name?

  59. Written by Grumpy Git
    on 27/10/2012 at 5:40 pm
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    No, I didn’t make up the profile. I found the link on another website. I want there to be a reasonable explanation to disprove all this. I was actually a big fan but not so sure now.

  60. Written by George
    on 27/10/2012 at 5:43 pm
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    How can you prove that you didn’t make that profile up?

  61. Written by ilkleymonster
    on 27/10/2012 at 5:44 pm
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    Sorry, but if this guy was an actor surely there would be a significant chance that one day he would appear in other TV programmes, films, adverts etc? And then people would see him and go, ‘Oh, that’s that guy from the Derren Brown thing’, the whole thing would be revealed as a fake and Derren Brown’s career would be completely ruined. Seems like a pretty big risk to take, unless Derren is planning on retiring soon anyway…

    Having said that, there were a couple of moments when I found the whole thing so unbelievable that I thought ‘This guy has got to be an actor…’, so we’ll see!

  62. Written by Grumpy Git
    on 27/10/2012 at 5:47 pm
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    I guess I cannot prove that but I am saying that I didn’t. Take it as you wish.

  63. Written by Jovial
    on 27/10/2012 at 5:49 pm
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    I am undecided on the matter. However…

    1. The man in the Zugos advert is Karl Greenwood.
    2. Having a profile on an extras website does not make you an actor. I know many people who have signed up for the opportunity.
    3. Stevens real name is used. He and his brother both have very public Facebook profiles. His brother has a cover photo of the family with Derren Brown.

    That’s not to say that I am entirely convinced by any/all of Derren’s work. Derren is a showman, and he has certainly put on a show. Mission accomplished.

  64. Written by R
    on 27/10/2012 at 5:51 pm
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    Maybe the sort of people who want to be actors, who audition for little parts in adverts and put their profiles on websites like that one are exactly the kind of people who audition to be on a Derren Brown programme?

  65. Written by not_watching_this_shit_anymore
    on 27/10/2012 at 5:52 pm
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    First the ‘acting’ profile changed from Steve Brosnan to Craig Harwood then Jerrin Matthews now it’s Koala Bear. Not content with foisting this lying shit on the audience
    someone’s taking the piss, Brosnan or Brown?.

    P.S. Jerrin, sounds a bit like Derren, doesn’t it?.

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  67. Written by Luke
    on 27/10/2012 at 5:56 pm
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    Just my two cents here, but I don’t think the fact he’s a wannabe actor makes him a stooge.

    The show starts by saying that Derren sent out a tweet asking for volunteers for a new, unspecified show.

    A wannabe actor is exactly the type of person who would respond to this sort of thing… If it was another “Miracles for Sale” sort of show, it would be exactly the sort of exposure he’d want.

    His Casting Call Pro profile appears to match up with what we have been told about him—aspires to be an actor, but hasn’t put any work into it. Has done A Level acting, but no further, and his only listed job is as an ensemble player while at college.

    Derren would also likely pick someone who’s brother IS an actor (and in on it) to help sell the illusion and plant the idea. You would certainly be more convincing, if required to play along, if you have some acting experience. I believe Steven is on CCP because he’s seen his brother having some success, and is interested in cashing in on some of it, but doesn’t have the motivation to do it.

    As others have mentioned, the guy in the Zugo’s ad is NOT Steven Brosnan, but Karl Greenwood.

    An awful lot of people have CastingCallPro profiles, it does not make them actors… I have two (one set up in the UK while I was studying drama, one in Canada when I was working with a Christian drama group), today I run a bookshop and am a part time photographer, and have never done a professional acting gig… and yet I have more listed credits than Steve Brosnan does.

    Don’t think the inclusion of a CCP profile should be considered definitive, especially in the absence of any evidence that he’s ever done any actual acting before.

    That said, there are some things which look a little fishy to me (moving “hidden” cameras, the water bottle, etc.)

    Not saying it’s not faked at all (It may well be, it certainly didn’t feature the usual “no stooges” disclaimer), but the CCP profile is the wrong evidence to focus on.

  68. Written by Hiltonite
    on 27/10/2012 at 5:57 pm
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    Why would the ‘acting’ profile on castingcallpro keep changing names if someone was trying to cover it up? If it was a cover up it would either be changed once, or deleted, they wouldn’t change it multiple times to stupid names like Koala Bear.

    It’s blatantly a troll who created the acting profile and is now changing it to f*** with people. Wow.

    Also…to anyone who is bringing up the issue of the moving water bottle….hahahaha wow. Doesn’t take a genius to figure out why a water bottle can change position on the floor of a moving van.

  69. Written by Grumpy Git
    on 27/10/2012 at 6:00 pm
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    There is also the Facebook photo with Adam Buxton with the caption “Filming on the set for a BBC pilot”. Again, that is not concrete proof that he is acting. He may have just been there that day and met Adam Buxton. However, and again, it’s all hearsay but people are reporting on him having a roll in the production. I guess the truth will come out at some point if the pilot is commissioned.

  70. Written by Grumpy Git
    on 27/10/2012 at 6:02 pm
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    I hate to be a cynic but there are a few “pro Derren” posts appearing all at once lol Could it be the production team trying to cover their tracks? 😉

  71. Written by MC
    on 27/10/2012 at 6:02 pm
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    Where was the swearing?? people would swear their arses off if they were in a real situation!!!

  72. Written by Grumpy Git
    on 27/10/2012 at 6:04 pm
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    Yeah, that’s an excellent point. I also wondered about that. I would be effing my balls off if it were me.

  73. Written by emily
    on 27/10/2012 at 6:10 pm
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    Regarding the professional people website, I think Derren Brown is trolling us all… it is now Koala Bear and he has about 40 different accents.
    this isn’t about steve, there is something more to it, Derren and his team or not naive or stupid enough to hire an actor to do this, they’ve done it deliberately I believe

  74. Written by R
    on 27/10/2012 at 6:11 pm
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    Personally I think he IS acting – badly – but he’s not an actor. He knew what was happening after Derren Brown appeared and made him ‘sleep’. He’s suggestible so he went along with the ‘sleep’ thing and everything after, but he knew, at least in the back of his mind that it wasn’t real. And the child’s acting was not great so that would have helped. But I don’t think he was hired as an actor.

  75. Written by Alx
    on 27/10/2012 at 6:22 pm
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    Not surprised

  76. Written by Hiltonite
    on 27/10/2012 at 6:22 pm
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    Grumpy Gits, referring to your swearing point, there’s a high chance that some of this was edited (to fit the 1hr slot) so you wouldn’t necessarily hear and see all of the dialogues. However I too found it surprising that he didn’t swear, but not everyone would swear. He looked in shock, I mean he barely said a word to the girl. Hard to appreciate being in that situation and feeling like he feels. If you think about it hard enough you might understand why a person would not swear, as opposed to confront the fact that they didn’t.

    Also…
    “I hate to be a cynic but there are a few “pro Derren” posts appearing all at once lol ”

    I think the reason you’re getting a lot of pro derren posts is because this site is top of google (good job haha) and both sides of the argument are valid so you will likely hear both pro and anti derren posts. However the main reason there’s a lot of pro derren is probably because there are fewer people who are skeptics.

    IMO, if you think it was faked then you’re missing the point of the show entirely. He is trying to make a difference to someones life, he is essentially pulling a huge prank on an innocent but for the sake of giving meaning to his existing life. Kinda like the Truman Show, but real.

  77. Written by Tom Bush
    on 27/10/2012 at 6:26 pm
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    Derren’s hypnosis techniques (making people “fall asleep”) is hugely dependent on context and has a lot to do with the person “playing along” due to being put on the spot. It is impossible to touch someones eyes and have them physically fall asleep.

    Why did they not just round up the survivors from the coach and put them in the compound overnight? If I was in a coach full of screaming people, explosions going off everywhere, and then a guy put his hand over my eyes and said “sleep”, I would knock his hand off and say “would you mind getting your hand off my face mate?”.

    Actor or not, it’s just all a bit too out there, and I am a huge fan of Derren Brown who has watched all his shows and read all of his books for both the public and exclusive material for magicians.

  78. Written by Grumpy Git
    on 27/10/2012 at 6:31 pm
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    Yeah, I just checked the rankings. That would explain the insane amount of traffic 🙂 I see your point about editing out swearing but surely most people would swear at the bit that make you jump (e.g. the zombie behind the glass running up to them). If the guy is not a stooge then yes, it will make a difference to his life, hopefully for the better. If, on the other hand, he is an actor and aware of the whole thing then it’s all pointless. I was hooked when I watched it and couldn’t wait ’til part 2 but after seeing the sceptics on Twitter this morning I had to look a few things up. The result is this page. I have left the judging to people posting comments. Hopefully there will be a good explanation because I want to believe it. It does taint it for me though.

  79. Written by Tom Bush
    on 27/10/2012 at 6:32 pm
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    Derren’s hypnosis techniques (making people “fall asleep”) is hugely dependent on context and has a lot to do with the person “playing along” due to being put on the spot. It is impossible to touch someones eyes and have them physically fall asleep.

    Why did they not just round up the survivors from the coach and put them in the compound overnight? If I was in a coach full of screaming people, explosions going off everywhere, and then a guy put his hand over my eyes and said “sleep”, I would knock his hand off and say “What the hell are you doing?”.

    Not only that, but Steven is very much awake when Derren is walking him to bed talking to him, and either it works because Steven forgets meeting Derren in the morning because of all the new information he has too absorb, or its all a load of tosh.

    Actor or not, it’s things like this that just make it all a bit too unbelievable, and I am a huge fan of Derren Brown who has watched all his shows and read all of his books for both the public and exclusive material for magicians.

  80. Written by Hiltonite
    on 27/10/2012 at 6:37 pm
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    Yeah it makes for a worthy discussion for sure. Going back to the point about swearing, if it was me I would probably behave differently around the girl, i.e. not swear or act out of place. The fact that Derren ensured she remained with him would’ve brought out a different side to Steve, hopefully he was acting in her interests (as best he could in a situation as harrowing as this!) and not just his own

  81. Written by Ryan
    on 27/10/2012 at 6:39 pm
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    He is in an advert? That is acting..

  82. Written by Brad Taylor
    on 27/10/2012 at 6:46 pm
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    Interesting. For a hardline atheist, Brown really does love playing God.

    I had no idea he’d been caught using stooges in the past. If there’s nothing to hide – as the pro-Derren posts seem to suggest – then why was the ‘incriminating’ evidence altered and deleted so abruptly?

    You might be smart, Derren, but we’re always one step ahead, son.

  83. Written by steve
    on 27/10/2012 at 6:50 pm
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    No way. So sad

  84. Written by Derren Brown Exposed
    on 27/10/2012 at 6:53 pm
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    Can anyone who thinks it is real explain the disappearing bottles in this clip?

  85. Written by Anon
    on 27/10/2012 at 6:53 pm
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    This is a golden PR opportunity for him if he ever finds out about this discussion, if he haven’t already. Pro-Derren posts are incredibly well written too, except a few ones.

    Golden PR opportunity as in “hey guys this was just a test to see if people would find out about it hurr durr”, I want it to be real, but this Apocalypse one is too exaggerated, his older stuff is way less sensationalist, subtle, if you will. Waking up to a infected apocalypse, being a guy on his twenties, with full access to the internet just seems really unrealistic, we all know shit like this is impossible.

  86. Written by Hiltonite
    on 27/10/2012 at 6:53 pm
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    Brad, I would argue that the incriminating evidence hasn’t actually been altered and deleted. Steve and his brothers facebook profiles are still visible. It’s possible that bogus castingcallpro accounts (created after the airing of the show) were then edited to look like a cover-up by the production team

  87. Written by Derren Brown Exposed
    on 27/10/2012 at 7:08 pm
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    Herea a clip of the dissapearing bottles in the ambulance

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIO7p-fzYe8

    The ambulance is stationary and both bottles are either moved or disappear in less than 4 seconds

  88. Written by Donald Robertson
    on 27/10/2012 at 7:08 pm
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    Perhaps I can add something. I’ve been involved in teaching and using hypnosis from an evidence-based perspective for nearly 20 years. First of all, that’s just not how hypnosis works or how a normal hypnotic subject would typically respond. However, with regard to shows like this in general… It is a criminal offence to hypnotise someone for entertainment purposes without having a licence under the Stage Hypnotism Act 1952. The Home Office Guidelines for issuing licences stipulate that the participant must give their informed consent (which would defeat the whole purpose of Apocalypse) and that “the performance shall be so conducted as not to be likely to cause harm, anxiety or distress to any person in the audience or any hypnotised subject” (again, that is breached by the whole concept of the show). So as far as I can see, there’s no way a licence could be issued for genuine hypnotism to be used in this way in the show, and under those circumstances the television channel would presumably not clear it for broadcast, as they have their own regulations in relation to the laws, etc., that govern performances of this type.

    It’s long been common for stage hypnotists and similar performers to employ stooges. The first rule of using stooges is, of course, that you need to tell the audience something like “I can assure you that there’s absolutely no way we’re using stooges.” As I recall Derren Brown also said he wasn’t using a fake gun for the Russian Roullette trick he did but the tabloids got the police to confirm that no gun licence had been issued because they had been satisfied by the show’s producers that it was not a fake gun. I think it’s quite reasonable to assume that shows like this, in general, are often made using stooges, aspiring actors who are following a script, pretending to have been hypnotised.

    A problem here for Derren Brown, I think, is that many viewers appear to have already noticed that the whole set up, although very professionally done in some ways, just doesn’t have the ring of authenticity about it. The actors are a bit wooden and unconvincing at times. In part, that should make viewers wonder why the subject doesn’t seem to question what’s going on more. It also appears too convenient that he never does anything that would interfere with the script unfolding. For example, if he’d refused to get in the ambulance, or wandered off at any point to think things over, or started to quiz the other characters, that would potentially ruin the show. He also doesn’t mumble or speak over other people, etc. All of which adds to the impression that he’s behaving like an actor, speaking lines, and following a script.

  89. Written by Brad Taylor
    on 27/10/2012 at 7:08 pm
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    Good point, Hiltonite. Tell you what, if this is all part of his ‘plan,’ I’ll be the first to high-five him (metaphorically) for a job well done. Love a bit of intrigue!

    I’m pretty sure “Jerrin Matthews” is a made-up name.

  90. Written by daveed
    on 27/10/2012 at 7:10 pm
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    Wow very interesting

  91. Written by RichardG
    on 27/10/2012 at 7:13 pm
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    Fake or not, none of it explains Steve’s constant weird mouth movements. Is he a guppy fish or a man!

    Personally I think fake, surely you would ‘tool’ up in that situation, plenty of table and chair legs etc, the drip stand had a good reach on it. With the obvious absence of Chuck Norris it is certainly what I would be doing in that situation, bearing in mind the high probability of needing to fend yourself off from the infected. Perhaps he’s just a pussy.
    Plus the lack of swearing as pointed out already is another massive one for me too. Ah well, perhaps that just means I’m violent and abusive!! 🙂

  92. Written by Brad Taylor
    on 27/10/2012 at 7:21 pm
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    Brilliant post, Donald – very informative.

  93. Written by tittwa
    on 27/10/2012 at 7:22 pm
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    I thought he did quite well if he is an actor

  94. Written by Sean P
    on 27/10/2012 at 7:36 pm
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    As Victor Meldrew would say “I dont believe it”

  95. Written by Donald Robertson
    on 27/10/2012 at 8:08 pm
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    Sorry, typo. I meant to say that I’d read the police had confirmed it *was* a fake gun, not a real one. Good point about the lack of swearing. That’s my point. You can’t really be 100% certain but it creates the appearance that an actor/stooge is being used when things go according to plan like this, and what he says and does just happens to make the show work perfectly. A good showman will incorporate one or two things that are meant to look like minor setbacks for the performance, because that just makes the audience even more likely to believe it’s authentic. That’s a very old and well-documented strategy of deception. Likewise, the fact is that the behaviour of hypnotic subjects just isn’t that predictable. Derren would have no way of knowing that the subject would respond to his induction, and obviously the whole show would be ruined, so they presumably wouldn’t take the risk that he might just turn round and say “Hey, what are you doing!” In a “real” stage hypnosis show, that’s dealt with by asking for volunteers (who want to get on stage and participate) and using about ten people initially, so that unresponsive subjects can just be sent back into the audience, if necessary. Derren Brown doesn’t have that option, but the only way he could possibly be certain the subject would “play ball” and respond as necessary would be if he was an actor or stooge.

    I don’t think this is a particularly important issue but just in case anyone thinks this tells you anything about hypnotism… The techniques used in this and other shows by Derren Brown do not really resemble genuine hypnotic inductions or suggestions, or the style of delivery typically used, except in a pretty superficial way. He tells the guy to close his eyes, that’s about the bare minimum, other than that there’s no real attempt to emulate what hypnotists actually do.

  96. Written by not_watching_this_shit_anymore
    on 27/10/2012 at 8:13 pm
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    “Doesn’t take a genius to figure out why a water bottle can change position on the floor of a moving van.” And you’re certainly not one are you hiltonite?. And if the acting profile was created before the show was aired? Hahahaha……… oh yes, nearly forgot….wow.

  97. Written by Steve
    on 27/10/2012 at 8:52 pm
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    All I’m going to say is this: Watch the second part of it and then make up your mind. Some of you will be surprised and some won’t. If you have Sky+ watch the first part again and really LISTEN to what is being said. Not just by Derren, by everyone.

    Hope you enjoy the ride and goodnight all.

    Sweet dreams,
    Steve.

  98. Written by R
    on 27/10/2012 at 8:54 pm
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    The water bottles thing does look suspicious, obviously those 4 seconds on screen weren’t 4 seconds real time, but there could be a legit reason for that. Probably the ambulance driver said more than we were shown him saying but it was cut out because it didn’t seem necessary or interesting enough, and you have to cut things to get down to the required length for the show. So we were shown the shot of Steve and the girl at the end of whatever the driver was saying with the sound of what he was saying a bit earlier on. You’d need to use the end bit for the visual part because it has the bit were the door is shut and the light dims.

    Obviously edits like that would be happening throughout, we just wouldn’t have noticed. It could be that it’s edited dishonestly but we can’t tell either way because that kind of editing would be done whether it was or not.

  99. Written by J Ford
    on 27/10/2012 at 9:03 pm
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    Darren Brown Apocalypse is fake. Jesus… You cant hypnotize like he did. he touched his head then he passes out, c`mon guys, Hypnosis is a medical practise that was used now and then for calming patients. Suggestion and all that crap is not proven. I think Darren is tricking us for a reason. Hes not convincing that guys the world has ended hes tricking us to thinking such a thing can be done.

    Id love to do a Jimmy saville on Darren Brown. Say he touched my head. I passed out then found Darren giving me a suggestion not to disclose until hes dead.

  100. Written by Steve
    on 27/10/2012 at 9:14 pm
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    Of course its all fake. I’m surprised you were so impressed “Grumpymiddleagedman”?

    I’m half expecting DB to announce that the whole thing was an experiment in audience gullibility at the end of part two?

    So many blunders; the starter motor that turned when it was claimed the motor fuse had been removed; those awful cringe-worthy “Hollywood” low energy explosion effects, the lack of hysteria, , the endless “director” shots instead of surveillance shots; DB pretending to steer the actors, etc, etc?

    The whole thing would be impossible to contain; impossible to make water-tight; one small slip or discovery would expose everything; one injury leave CH4 open to litigation.

    The gormless “Steven” never seems to ask any questions btw. Normal people would have 101 questions within minutes of “waking” …. except a bad actor playing a stooge of course.

    It’s all an insult to intelligent people, but I guess many gullible people will be sucked in, believe it all, echo their belief to others, and then worst still, use that savvy when they vote in the next General Election!

  101. Written by Jbizzle
    on 27/10/2012 at 9:33 pm
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    I’m a magician, and a fan of Derren, so subsequently know a little about a few of the things he does.

    In regards to using an actress for the voodoo doll trick – why not say he did the same with Stephen Fry or Stephen Merchant? The profession of the participant does not negate the value of the trick (especially when I have done the trick before RE the voodoo doll trick, stephen fry trick, etc.)

    In my opinion, it is possible to have planted an auditory anchor, so if things turned bad Derren could sound an airhorn and he’d fall asleep.

    Having said all this, I do know Derren to use actors to fool the audience before (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S824PsMb08I) and the links do seem fishy.

  102. Written by Shaun Woods
    on 27/10/2012 at 9:48 pm
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    I think quite a lot of people’s naivety is being shown here; not just the people in denial, but the people who are not.

    Personally, I’ve always stated that these kind of “Fish out of Water” shows, (which are the brainchild of Ian Starkey, his partner, and writer), are nothing more than a twisted version of Psychodrama.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychodrama

    The salient question here isn’t whether this Steven is an actor, (in the sense we all know), but if he was aware of whether he was in a show or not. THAT, is the question here.

    I’ve stated previously on other forums that this Steve knew fair well that he was in a Derren Brown show, and all he was doing was reacting to the environment and situations that he was in.

    The mere fact that he APPLIED to be on a Derren Brown show, from Derren’s twitter account, (Which you would have to be a fan to be on), is the case for me.

    Steve knew what to expect, he’d seen other shows of Derren’s and he willingly applied to be on a Derren Brown show. Much like when a hypnotist introduces himself, as a Hypnotist, your mind automatically becomes functioned to be Hypnotised. You either go with it, or you don’t. Hypnotists know if you are going with them or you aren’t.

    Steve is simply an ACTive participant in this well staged and well planned, pre-ordained environment. And without being directly told, he is aware, at least on a sub-concious level, that he is in a show. Just to restate, he isn’t a PAID and informed actor, he is an ACTive participant.

    It’s like an initiation hazing in a fraternity; Steve has been screened and “hinted to”, that he could be a participant in a show. He is never directly informed, but he is hinted to. And there are small hints throughout the pre-production process that he is in one of Derren’s shows.

    He has been previously vetted as a potential candidate and I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a “Psychological Questionnaire”. That eluded questions like:

    “If someone played a prank on you and you weren’t in prior knowledge of this prank, would you go along with the prank in order to fulfil the needs of the prank’s efficacy?”

    “Have you ever laughed at a joke that wasn’t funny?”

    “Have you ever felt that you where being watched?”

    And such questions at these, which is called, “Putting a pole in the ground”.

    Furthermore, I wouldn’t be surprised if there where some reactionary questioning, to test his reactions, such as:

    “How would you react if your family where killed and you where the only person left in the world?”

    “What three items would you take with you on a desert island”.

    “Have you ever seen the Truman Show?”

    Pertinent questions which would psychologically prepare your mind for what is about to become.

    Another thing to note, is the camera’s. Now this might seem problematic, but there is NO WAY, in the world, he wouldn’t have noticed the fact that there where a least 3 camera’s in each room.

    Black Orb camera’s (Which anyone can recognize), where dotted about like big signs saying “STEVE YOU ARE ON A SHOW, YOU ARE SAFE, JUST GO WITH IT!”. And if you rewatch the show, inside the Ambulance, there is a draw to the left top side of the ambulance man, which is clearly open, and has a massive camera sticking out.

    With a bit of creative editing, it would be easy to edit out any times he looks at the camera.

    Everything is tailored to let Steve know that he is in a show, and that what he should do is “Play along”, like a jape in school when you where a kid.

    One thing we can also take, is that, regardless of how “Strong minded” you are. If you had woken up in that situation, one of the first things you would look for would be outside communication. Your first priority, would be to contact your family, or the authorities. You would need affirmation of your surroundings, to be sure that you weren’t in fact, being pranked.

    Especially considering you happened to have applied for a Derren Brown show, three months prior.

    Did Steve do this? Did he ask his only link to reality (The little girl), whether or not this was real? Did he look around for a phone? Did he try and find the nearest weapon, to feed his very ordain human survival instincts? Did he try to find somewhere where he could sit down and have a shit?

    No, because in his heart of hearts, he knew he was safe, he knew he was subject to a prank and that if he didn’t go along with it, he would look more stupid than whatever he could do from here on in.

    “Theatre as Living that there are nine core processes at the heart of drama therapy. These include projective identification and dramatic distancing. Projective identification is the process whereby a person feels the feelings that the other is unable to access themselves. Dramatic distancing refers to the way that emotional and psychological problems can be accessed easier through metaphor. The client has a distanced relationship through metaphor to these problems that makes them easier to tolerate.”

    This whole process is a piece of Drama Therapy and Psychodrama. With an active participant.

    Let this take nothing away from my enjoyment into Derren’s show. I am a fellow practitioner and I follow, these specific shows, in which a mere “nobody”, is turned into a “Somebody”.

    The same can be said about Candid Camera, You’ve been framed, Beadle’s About and more importantly Big Brother.

    This is nothing more than a re-hash of Beadle’s About, but on a larger and more theatrical scale.

    People are clambering about trying to prove if is was a stooge or actor, he weren’t a stooge or actor, he was an ACTive participant; there’s a huge difference.

  103. Written by LadyV
    on 27/10/2012 at 10:02 pm
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    I notice some of the pro Derren posts are focusing on just this guy being an actor, what about the other actor he used in the Voodoo Doll sequence? All these actors not acting on his show, all there as plain members of the public yet altering their information when caught out. Come on people!

  104. Written by Tracey
    on 27/10/2012 at 10:04 pm
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    I was one of the ‘infected’ that you will see next week – unless he can fake his heart beating so hard it looked as if it was coming out of his chest then it was very real to him and not staged. The guy was genuinely petrified – and I saw it up close. Watch the whole thing and then decide.

  105. Written by LadyV
    on 27/10/2012 at 10:12 pm
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    On a side note, id like to point out something. As someone that went to his Enigma show, I was one of the people that caught the “cock” card (hope people know what Im talking about). This was a running joke in every single show. To cut a long story short, DB asked members of the public to write a question on a card that was on your chair when entering, then seal it in the envelope and write your seat/row number on the front of the card, put it in the box on the stage at the interval, DB would then pick out at random questions he wanted to answer. The problem here is that the “cock” card always ended up in the pile. If a staged card (cock card) ended up in the pile and DB was always meant to choose it, how do we know other staged cards didnt end up in their too? Staged cards = staged answers = staged stooges in the audience. Such a simple thing meant as a funny ends up showing that actually things can be staged and makes you wonder what else was too.

  106. Written by lee
    on 27/10/2012 at 10:23 pm
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  107. Written by lee
    on 27/10/2012 at 10:24 pm
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    seems like a nice man

  108. Written by Tracey
    on 27/10/2012 at 10:28 pm
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    Oh and as for the swearing – he swears when he first sees over 100 of us….so keep watching!!

  109. Written by george
    on 27/10/2012 at 11:47 pm
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    IF a person has been previously hypnotised such as in the auditions it is easier for them to fall back into that state due to previous experience.

    Also when the body and mind are going through stressful situations neurons misfire and would therefore be easier to hypnotise aswell.

  110. Written by Koala Bear
    on 28/10/2012 at 12:22 am
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    now its koala bear

  111. Written by luke
    on 28/10/2012 at 9:22 am
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    @R “Personally I think he IS acting – badly – but he’s not an actor.”

    This is called “Instant Stooging” in the industry, and is a technique I believe Derren uses a lot—essentially, as you say, suggestible people are conditioned to play along.

    It would make sense in this case—he knew he had interviewed for a DB show. We are told he was told he was unsuccessful, but never hear him actually being told… perhaps he was told you you haven’t been chosen for THIS show, but we may use you in a future show, so stay aware.

    Another possibility is something called “Dual Reality”. That is, Steven IS experiencing an effect of sorts, he’s not aware of consciously and deliberately playing along, but the effect he is experiencing, is quite different to the one the audience is viewing.

    A very basic example of this would be that I show the audience an empty hand, give them some patter about asking you to imagine a piece of paper, think what it might say on it. I then show you what they believe is my empty hand, but which actually contains a piece of paper, and ask you to pick a word off of that.

    In the audiences head, you are picking a word off the paper you just imagined, you are actually picking just one of three or four words that i’ve written down, and then predicting that becomes quite easy, through the use of multiple out’s.

    You are mildly impressed while the audience is majorly impressed.

    Something to think about.

    (I can confirm that I am the same Luke which posted above, and I am NOT working on behalf of the production team to defend Derren.)

    As I’ve said, I’m not saying that it’s not fake, it may well be, It’s also possible that it’s dual reality (slim possibility) instant stooging (larger possibility) or a combination of the two (most likely, in my mind). However the CCP evidence remains the weakest kind of evidence in my mind.

  112. Written by Smee
    on 28/10/2012 at 10:21 am
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    Looked totally fake to me.
    Was also a big Derren fan… till now 🙁

  113. Written by Grumpy Git
    on 28/10/2012 at 10:32 am
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    ok folks, sorry about the comments screwing up. I have fixed the problem and imported all the old comments to this new post.

  114. Written by Jon Doe
    on 28/10/2012 at 10:59 am
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    A lot of CH4 execs shitting themselves right now

  115. Written by Skepticat_UK
    on 28/10/2012 at 11:03 am
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    Where does this facebook page fit in?

    https://www.facebook.com/Brosaconstricta

  116. Written by Grumpy Git
    on 28/10/2012 at 11:11 am
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    look at the screenshot further up this page. It looks like the facebook page is public now. There was a photo of Steve with Adam Buxton on the set of a BBC TV pilot show. It’s conveniently disappeared from Steve’s facebook photo album though!

  117. Written by Grumpy Git
    on 28/10/2012 at 11:12 am
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    ^^ Unless it has been made private or been deleted. Anyway, it’s not there now.

  118. Written by Terry
    on 28/10/2012 at 11:56 am
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    I really dont know what to believe. I wish Derren Brown would say something on his twitter

  119. Written by Random Person
    on 28/10/2012 at 12:57 pm
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    This is the funniest post I’ve ever ready in my life…!

    There are a LOT of wannabe actors in the world. Why would they spend so much money and time doing all this for it to be exploited if he was caught as a stooge?

    Just because he wants to act does not mean he was “in on it” or was a stooge…. If you believe it was all faked, you’re a silly conspiracy theorist.

    Wake up, smell the roses, and enjoy TV. Stop being silly.

  120. Written by John DOE
    on 28/10/2012 at 1:07 pm
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    No, this is CH4 trying to pull one over on the public.

    Of course he’s a fucking actor and he was in on it from the start. We’ve already sussed that out.

    That is the public’s problem.

  121. Written by John DOE
    on 28/10/2012 at 1:10 pm
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    Wake up, stick your roses up your arse and stop trying to limit the damage

  122. Written by John DOE
    on 28/10/2012 at 1:14 pm
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    I fell for it

  123. Written by John DOE
    on 28/10/2012 at 1:14 pm
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    I’m going to hide in a ditch for 7 years, I’ve just got it.

  124. Written by John DOE
    on 28/10/2012 at 1:15 pm
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    IT’S A SPOOF

  125. Written by John DOE
    on 28/10/2012 at 1:24 pm
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    This whole thread is a setup, see you later

  126. Written by John DOE
    on 28/10/2012 at 1:28 pm
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    The joke’s on you folks

  127. Written by Grumpy Git
    on 28/10/2012 at 1:34 pm
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    you sound a little paranoid there “John” lol

  128. Written by matty
    on 28/10/2012 at 1:46 pm
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    Here’s some news for you. When a magician cuts a woman in half with a saw, they don’t actually do it. Bloody fakers

  129. Written by matty
    on 28/10/2012 at 1:57 pm
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    I just hope there’s more to it. It would be a bit crap if at the end of the show the guy just turned round and said “thanks derren, you made me value my life” that would be shit, even if the guy isn’t an actor

  130. Written by Mikey
    on 28/10/2012 at 3:41 pm
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    It depends on how you look at this. We all know that magicians don’t *actually* cut people in half. We’re not that gullible but when a string of show consistently emphasises that ‘no actors or stooges are used’ then you have to question if this guy is an actor and a stooge. I am torn on this one. The links and pics on this page need explaining somehow.

  131. Written by dame betty
    on 28/10/2012 at 3:44 pm
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    and maybe, it’s all about keeping us all talking about it and wanting to see what happens next. I can bet that all those who stated they won’t be watching, will!

  132. Written by Grumpy Git
    on 28/10/2012 at 3:56 pm
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    lol yeah probably

  133. Written by Oracle
    on 28/10/2012 at 4:01 pm
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    Hey guys

    The few arguments that try to make a case for this guy being an actor rely on circumstantial evidence alone. For example – the photo with Adam Buxton. His brother is an actor – maybe he got a chance to meet him through his brother?

    As for the CCP page – again, plenty of people have one. Alternatively, it could just have easily been set up by someone completely unrelated to Steve to cause trouble.

    There’s also a comment about hypnotism and people going along with it etc. There are lots of theories as to why people do what they do under hypnotism – some of them revolving around subconciously wanting to play along so you do. Does this make you an actor? Probably, in the sense that you are playing along to a degree, but not in a professional sense.

    I’ve always been very skeptical about hypnotism. The only time I felt it ever worked at all was when I was part of a large group – but that time I opened myself up to the idea that it could work and just went with it. Ultimately, I think if you want it to work, it does work.

    Finally, having been one of the extras on the show – I’m seen briefly in the first part and probably in the second part – all I can say is that I don’t believe these rumours and you should, as Steve himself (presumably) says, watch the second part before you make up your minds. Derren and his team are not so stupid as to leave a trail of ‘evidence’ showing this was all a fake.

  134. Written by whatever
    on 28/10/2012 at 4:01 pm
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  135. Written by Joel
    on 28/10/2012 at 4:10 pm
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    All these efforts and we haven’t even seen the second part yet…

    Until we’ve experienced the entire program, this could have an infinite number of possible agendas.

    Here’s a situation that I’ve thought up just quickly:

    It’s quite possible that part 1 was a probe to have sceptics do some research and ‘debunk’ DB. Then to have it be revealed that the trick was on the audience the whole time. (This would be a great way to expose the flaws in the biased processes of non-believers, and believers alike).
    It could be revealed that DB and Co. had meticulously set up Steve’s online presence etc… just to prove that the internet isn’t always correct.
    He could have guided the audience in the direction of “proving this is a fake” by using his usual subjective wording and subconscious introduction of topics… etc. Like the social media / online news hack that he had the guru perform in the show; his use of the word ‘fake’ in the show and on twitter.
    He could then reveal that one of the key indicators was the absence of his usual disclaimer (the “I don’t use actors or stooges” usual)
    And the moral of the story is not to trust anyone, ever… I don’t know.

    I’m not claiming this is the case. I’m merely offering an alternative to all these “findings”.

    Or maybe fame has gotten the best of Derren and he doesn’t care about cleaning up his trail because he’s so rich that it doesn’t matter. There’s another possibility.

    Or maybe it’s all legit and this guy learns a great life lesson, and the rest of us are left with a lackluster taste in our mouths.

    Who knows…
    Point is… let the man finish! THEN you can go all crazy with the conspiracies.

  136. Written by Pig
    on 28/10/2012 at 6:01 pm
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    As a side note. both Steve and his ‘brother’ are mutual friends with some of my acting mates who went to Mountview. Steve’s ‘brother’ is listed as going to Mountview as well.

  137. Written by brala
    on 28/10/2012 at 6:52 pm
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    im trying to work out the facebook thing. why can’t we try to add him as a friend? also, i noticed all his other friends, and their friends, and their friends, well not one of them do ihave a mutual friend with, which, if we bear in mind the 6 degrees of separation rule, doesnt add up. can someone else try? could this could be a hoax on a massive massive scale, including making thousands of fake facebook accounts?

  138. Written by matty
    on 28/10/2012 at 7:36 pm
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    It could be that we are being duped in someway. Note all the wizard of oz references, they seem to be there for the viewers benefit, not for Stevens. Hope so anyway. Here’s hoping for a clever twist……. Right where are those straws

  139. Written by matty
    on 28/10/2012 at 7:41 pm
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    The Facebook thing is weird too. Do peoples pages usually show no activity in 4 years other than liking pages. What about posting on walls, comments, photo tagging? Or are those things hidden if you aren’t a friend?

  140. Written by Grumpy Git
    on 28/10/2012 at 7:42 pm
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    It’s being repeated tonight at 10:30pm apparently

  141. Written by An Act-Tor
    on 28/10/2012 at 8:12 pm
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    really enjoyed reading all this, having been reasonably convinced while watching.

    -didn’t fall for the hypnotism – surely not that easy? especially not to walk someone around to a bed.

    – anyone ever been asleep for two weeks and woken as normal? surely you’d feel completely out of it, hungry, thirsty etc

    – even if he was some kind of actor, no doubt he wouldn’t have been told what was happening and being chased by zombies is going to freak you.

    – maybe we’ll all realise we are not the people we could be and improve and Derren wins 🙂

  142. Written by A Collins
    on 28/10/2012 at 8:44 pm
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    Im sorry, but he’s done tricks on Stephen Fry, Matt Lucas, David Tennant and Stephen Merchant. The thing that links them? Theyre all actors yet noone called him fraudulent and they all applied to be on his shows like everyone else. Chances are, he applied like everyone else too.

    All the blocking/changing of profiles is to stop him from personal attacks (like this post)

    As for the bottle mystery, it takes less than a second for a lick to move and kick the bottle out of view, hardly supernatural/fake

  143. Written by Grumpy Git
    on 28/10/2012 at 8:49 pm
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    Not sure I have seen any personal attacks here

  144. Written by Brad Taylor
    on 28/10/2012 at 10:29 pm
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    The pro-Derren faction need to read Donald’s posts. Pretty much puts it to bed, for me.

    Part two should be good, though.

  145. Written by derrenbrownexposed
    on 28/10/2012 at 10:49 pm
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    I have found conclusive proof (not just a casting profile) that the whole program was staged and that Steven was a stooge, check out my latest post….

    http://derrenbrownexposed.wordpress.com/2012/10/28/56/

  146. Written by timmmmy
    on 28/10/2012 at 11:00 pm
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    that’s just editing. derrenbrownexposed, not proof, and not conclusive.

  147. Written by Grumpy Git
    on 28/10/2012 at 11:14 pm
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    “Katie run” lol

  148. Written by anon
    on 28/10/2012 at 11:15 pm
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    Couple of things for you to think about before criticising Derren…
    1. anyone could of made up that casting call account, no i.d proof is needed (from personal experience)… if he was to be a serious actor he would of uploaded a photo making it easier for clients and scouts to get a better first impression. Is it definitely him, or a fake? (they could of just used his twitter account- fraud)
    2. at the start Derren explained how Steven Brosnan had applied to be on this programme (not knowing the content) but had been told he was ‘unsuccesful’… therefore, any contracts may of already be signed to sort out the ethical reasons.
    3. also after studying sociology to high level, ethically he has done as much as he can, being surrounded by psychologists and mental health staff to keep an eye on any mental, physical damage that may be caused.
    4. Steven may well be an actor and been in adverts doesn’t mean for definite he is a stooge.
    5. The water may of been moved when the shot was on the ambulance driver, Steven may of picked them up himself when one of the other cameras was in use (unbeknown to him), just the way it was edited together (every angle cannot be including at every time)

    Not saying it is all definitely not a fake, but just some things to think about, look at the bigger picture.

  149. Written by jimbobjonjo
    on 28/10/2012 at 11:21 pm
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    seriously, anon, i really dont want to digress, but you say you studied sociology to a high level yet no one has ever pointed out to you it’s ‘could HAVE’ etc. it just makes it harder to take your points seriously, though they are valid. jus sayin.

  150. Written by R1234
    on 28/10/2012 at 11:25 pm
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    I don’t think he said Katie, it does sound like it but think he said infected when running from the man in the window……?

  151. Written by Rosemary Ebun
    on 28/10/2012 at 11:26 pm
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    Not read all the responses but I Googled if the show is fake because of the poor acting! So a self-centred man wakes up and is suddenly caring about Leona! Wouldn’t he start shouting and be agitated about his brother!

    Absolutely pathetic – annoyed with myself for initially believing 🙁

  152. Written by Suspicious
    on 28/10/2012 at 11:29 pm
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    The supposed Army Officer making an announcement whilst Stevo was in hospital was wholly unconvincing. Hair all over the place, no beret, rubbish uniform from a fancy dress shop (never mind the fact she’s a young woman rather than a more senior man as you’d expect). AND would a young man really be outrun by a teenage girl whilst being chased by zombies???Can’t say I’ll be wasting any time on the rest of this crap.

  153. Written by non
    on 28/10/2012 at 11:32 pm
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    Don’t think my grammar is what you should be pointing out, I haven’t come for year 6 literacy just wanted to make some points. I also didn’t include capital letters at the start of words… Just saying.

  154. Written by Grumpy Git
    on 28/10/2012 at 11:34 pm
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    Do you think that the water bottles would have been in his mind given the situation? The last thing on my mind would be water bottles at my feet. I probably would not even notice them.

  155. Written by David Simcox
    on 28/10/2012 at 11:35 pm
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    the poor acting argument doesnt hold up in terms of exposing the show. we have learnt our ideas of what constitutes good acting from watching de niro and pacino, i.e. dramatic ACTORS ACTING. nothing as dramatic as this actually happens in real life so we’re not used to seeing real people respond in these situations.

    actually this is what is wrong with the whole show, in terms of a being a credible psychological experiment; surely it would have been far more interesting if it weren’t trying to be cinematic, it really is like these people have learnt how they should be behaving from watching 28 days later ‘PRESS IT PRESS IT!’.

  156. Written by jimbobjonjo
    on 28/10/2012 at 11:46 pm
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    i dont care, anon, you just should just know how to write english, otherwise it makes you appear like a fucking idiot, not just in this forum, but in your life in general. i bet my pointing this out to you will actually improve your job prospects, you will probably earn around 25% more each year just because you wont come across as such a retard. also, your points are not valid at all, they are all lame. people said them already. and you should read Donald’s post about the ethics – obviously your gcse in sociology hasn’t really helped you much.

  157. Written by Perks89
    on 28/10/2012 at 11:57 pm
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    Ok

    1. That isnt steve in those adverts.
    2. The ‘continuity errors’ will just be a cock-up in editing, after all it does have to make good television as well as being an experiment.
    3. Its surprisingly easy to set up an account on a casting website as someone else. Probably just some sad git who wants us all to start questioning it.

    When steve saw his picture up on the board, that was genuine emotion.
    No one can say how they will react if they were in this same situation. Some of us would break down and some would take a deep breath and just try to deal with it. Thats the survival instinct, thats fight or flight. I certainly wouldnt try to attack the infected people, it would be suicide.

    I believe this is real. Some people just like to take pleasure in rubbishing something they would never be able to do themselves.

  158. Written by TheatriCavs
    on 29/10/2012 at 12:03 am
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    An actor myself, after reading this thread, my thoughts are if you aren’t an actor or in the industry – please don’t give opinions on how putting yourself on a website such as castingcallpro makes you ‘an extras actor who wants to be on a Derren Brown show’ etc and so forth. Get some knowledge about the industry first!! Also, Even if he is an actor, doesn’t mean he was employed as one. And you’ll find that in between jobs, actors get down, just like anyone without a job – therefore being in his position of looking like he’s not going anywhere is pretty bang on as that’s how it feels when you’re not in an acting job (more often than not in this industry unfortunately!).

    In regards to the topic, DB focuses on the power of the human mind so it’s possible the show has been created to test us as an audience – why not wait for part two to see what happens?! They could even turn around and say he has been employed as an actor! Or not! Surely it’s the theme of the programme and that it provokes wonder about the mind that we should all be talking about?!

  159. Written by Joel
    on 29/10/2012 at 12:04 am
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    derrenbrownexposed,
    Do you really have a blog dedicated to “exposing” Derren Brown? Brutal.
    Anyway, your screenshots hardly prove anything. You’re just pointing out that they might have reused the same footage.

    Maybe they’ll come out and say they had to re-enact everything because the original footage got stolen by some Aliens, and the Aliens were like not understanding that DB really wanted to make this awesome tv program, and at this point they had put so much money into all the advertising and everything so they had to hire an actor to make this whole thing play out like the original. Hey, ITS POSSIBLE! haha

    Just wait until they show the second part.

    If at that point we’re still expected to believe that everything was as they laid it out, then all these “findings” hold some worth, but until that time… we know nothing.

  160. Written by puckyoumiss
    on 29/10/2012 at 12:08 am
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    how do you know it was ‘genuine emotion’ when he looked at the photo?

    i dont believe they were cock ups in editing – such blatant continuity errors. i’m would bet they’re deliberate. we’ll have to watch next week to find out.

  161. Written by Bernard Rentajag
    on 29/10/2012 at 12:14 am
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    Okay, some points that people are overlooking.

    “You can’t just hypnotise someone by walking up them and saying sleep”.
    Indeed you can’t. However, Steven would have already been hyponotised by this point. Anyone who has watched a previous Derren Brown production will know that he does not broadcast the hypnosis process.

    “You’d tool up in that situation”.
    Life isn’t an action movie, and in real life most people leg it, especially when they don’t know what they’re facing. It’s known as the 95% Fight or Flight Principle.

    “He has a casting profile”.
    He did A Level acting, and then never followed it up. The guy isn’t even an extra. If he’s an actor, then he’ll be registered with Equity. Which – so far – hasn’t even been implied, let alone proven.

  162. Written by pyrrha
    on 29/10/2012 at 12:17 am
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    Post-traumatic stress: a serious and debilitating condition caused by nearly being killed or seriously injured or witnessing this in others nearby.
    “Steve Brosnan” would have been at high risk of severe psychological damage had he really been a dupe. No TV execs would run this risk.

  163. Written by libby
    on 29/10/2012 at 12:22 am
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    Just watched the show for the first time tonight. I have a very strong feeling that it’s fake. ‘Steve’ appeared to me to be acting. If it were me suddenly finding myself in such an extraordinary situation I would have wanted to ask a tonne of questions of ‘Leona’, ‘Ian’ and any other human being I met in the same situation as me. And when ‘Ian’ told them that in 2 days “all the barriers into and out of England will be closed” the first thing that sprang to mind was *WHAT barriers?!* England doesn’t HAVE *barriers*! Any idiot knows that. I’m sorry but that line was ridiculous. How come ‘Steve’ did not appear to ask any questions? Like why were they the last ones left behind, and how come Ian the paramedic was still there at the site? And how had their friends and relatives managed to all visit the site magically to leave print-outs and messages? Nothing felt plausible to me. Instead our ‘Steve’ just gawped like a permanently frozen goldfish. Bad acting if you ask me. An exciting idea but it just didn’t add up. Disappointing.

  164. Written by Mary Gold
    on 29/10/2012 at 12:22 am
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    On reference to what he posted on facebook, as working on a “bbc pilot” derren browns programme wasn’t part of the BBC but Channel 4

  165. Written by Espy
    on 29/10/2012 at 12:34 am
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    The facebook thing is indeed odd. But it would have to be a ridiculously massive scale because most of those profiles have been set up for years!

    I am just enjoying the show for what it is at face value, though. The bit that freaked me out the most was the initial announcement on the radio from the government. Terrifying.

  166. Written by Eyooo
    on 29/10/2012 at 12:42 am
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    To all those believers that are saying Derren is too astute to miss scrubbing casting call profiles before the show went live… remember this is the guy that didn’t realise his housekeeper was syphoning chunks of money out of his bank account! He isn’t as sharp as he would lead you to believe.

  167. Written by Rach
    on 29/10/2012 at 12:53 am
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    I’m gonna put my 2 pence in here, but for one point.. about the swearing, not everyone swears all the time or when stressed etc. Because I know I don’t? If I was in that situation i’d probably be pretty quiet myself tbh.
    As another point the bottle could have moved with his legs, if you look.. they too miraculously move! and as has been pointed out, the thing has been edited naturally to fit in with the hour slot.
    To move on to the pictures, on the CCP account, his twitter account that he’s linked lacks a capital letter at the beginning, now i’m no expert, but I do beleive that makes all the difference in sending you to one profile or another, so I beleive in all sencerity that that’s a fake account. People are just gullible to beleiving someone could go that far to make another person look bad?
    Also as stated if you’ve been hypnotised once into being put asleep (which he was at the interview) then he’s more succeptible to it again, no I don’t know if he was aware sometimes, and regardless of my points people will continue to have their own views, but I don’t beleive it’s all fake, so stop being so skeptical about everything and look at the bigger picture.

  168. Written by jimbobjonjo
    on 29/10/2012 at 12:59 am
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    Yes. Good point Rach. Everyone STOP BEING SO SKEPTICAL ABOUT EVERYTHING AND LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE.

  169. Written by Danster
    on 29/10/2012 at 1:01 am
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    Excellent blog people- a truly great read so far and very informative from both sides. I personally watched it and thought ‘fake’, which left a bitter taste- it’s just not how I would react in those circumstances, with those people etc- surely there would be at least more questions being asked- in a state of shock or not! I’d certainly be swearing and be looking for some kind of weapon as a starter… That said, maybe the point of the show isn’t about arguing whether its fake or not, it’s more about looking inward and questioning our own morals- could you look back and be happy with your life if the worst happened? Maybe if it changes one person’s reality from watching, then that’s a bit of magic right there?

  170. Written by Rach
    on 29/10/2012 at 1:06 am
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    To Danster.. I’m a strong believer in not knowing how you’d react until you were put in that situation, everyone reacts differently and just because it’s not how you’d react.. it’s fake? If you saw him screaming and grabbing things, you’d believe it were too staged then? Something to think about..

  171. Written by jimbobjonjo
    on 29/10/2012 at 1:10 am
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    Well done looking at the bigger picture Rach. You tell em girl.

  172. Written by Espy
    on 29/10/2012 at 1:14 am
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    Am glad that Rach is ignoring the troll. Let one go, jimbobjonjo.

    *feeds*

  173. Written by jimbobjonjo
    on 29/10/2012 at 1:17 am
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    okok. it just annoyed me. people saying things like ‘look at the bigger picture’, umm that is exactly what we’re all trying to do here.
    latest is . . . Steve’s facebook page has now been deleted.

  174. Written by Rach
    on 29/10/2012 at 1:18 am
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    I admit I fell victim to the troll :I but I just couldn’t help myself.. TTnTT

  175. Written by Rach
    on 29/10/2012 at 1:21 am
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    Oh no, sorry you were referring to the other obvious troll XD

  176. Written by Dans tear
    on 29/10/2012 at 1:25 am
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    It’s not a case of reacting differently to me, it’s a case of not reacting to some things at all… When he annoyed his parents by changing the chanel on the tv, it was to watch the ‘fight’. Looking at some of the books on his shelf, along with games- it’s obvious he is just a normal bloke who enjoys blokes things… Most normal blokes have heard if zombies and would have had- if not directly seen- some interaction to know what they were- fictionally of course- by the time they were 22… I appreciate that we aren’t talking zombies here, rather a virus, however to knock on a door to a room which is badly lit and has someone ‘not really acting normally and covered in blood’ which can be seen through the glass strikes me as odd. Why not just go straight in? Or even just continue to watch? Why knock and then wait a whole minute for them to turn around? Just too many out of norm actions for anybody- whether or not they would react like I think I might…

  177. Written by Dans tear
    on 29/10/2012 at 1:25 am
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    Troll? Thanks. What I can’t have an opinion now?

  178. Written by jimbobjonjo
    on 29/10/2012 at 1:30 am
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    no no no no Dan, I was the troll in question. I’m finished with that phase now. So long as no one else tells us to look at the bigger picture ffs.

  179. Written by Kitten
    on 29/10/2012 at 1:37 am
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    I think a lot of people are missing out a major event. Derren ‘put him to sleep’ on the coach by simply covering his face, and he was still able to walk and climb into the bed while in this ‘hypnotised’ state. Seriously, is that not enough evidence that it’s fake? Not to mention the terrible acting. This is nothing more than a film in the style of a real event, sort of like ‘the fourth kind.’

  180. Written by Luke
    on 29/10/2012 at 1:40 am
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    Right first can i just say that this page is a load of bullshit. Also that Steve Brosnan is a real person and not an actor. How do i know this? Well considering the fact that he is one of my sisters best mates and used to go to the same school as me says it all. If you don’t believe that well there’s more. He lives just down the road from me in Chalfont St Peter in Bucks and the pub you saw in Part one on Friday was called the Village Hall which he goes to quite a lot, Also i am friends with him on Facebook and have met him a few times. After Friday, like many of you, i thought it was fake too but yesterday i saw Steve for the first time in a while and he told me that it is all real and that he has to go to Derren’s flat sometimes to be calmed down as he still gets nightmares from it. Honestly don’t be fooled by these stupid rumours

  181. Written by derrenbrownexposed
    on 29/10/2012 at 1:41 am
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    This is definitive proof that the whole thing was faked:

    http://derrenbrownexposed.wordpress.com/2012/10/28/56/

    It shows that Steven and his family were being directed and that the action was being recorded in scenes to fit a narrative and not ‘live’

  182. Written by jimbobjonjo
    on 29/10/2012 at 1:50 am
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    ” After Friday, like many of you, i thought it was fake too but yesterday i saw Steve for the first time in a while and he told me that it is all real and that he has to go to Derren’s flat sometimes to be calmed down as he still gets nightmares from it. ”
    So Derren Brown fucked him up then?

  183. Written by Luke
    on 29/10/2012 at 1:59 am
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    Pretty much, Steve has always been a weird, messed up lad anyway… But after seeing him yesterday you could tell that it still plays with his mind. My sister also told me that he turned on his mum for some while after it happened.

  184. Written by Espy
    on 29/10/2012 at 2:27 am
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    I wish I could believe everyone on the internet 🙁

  185. Written by ash
    on 29/10/2012 at 2:57 am
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    Um. About the bottles. The camera isn’t on steve the whole time. It is on the paramedic at that point. With acting you are bothered about continuity errors and in that situation they exist. In the view of a non-acted role you do not observe ‘continuity errors’ everything is real-time as doesn’t have to be perfect. In that time the camera is on the paramedic Steve is perfectly capable of moving with his own free will, and I think you’ll find he has moved his foot position which would work well with the causal link with the bottles being moved. (They don’t disappear). If you think they disappear you’re not looking properly.

    It has been established by many that it isn’t him in the Zugos advert.

    I concur with one who has posted before. Derren Brown’s programmes ISN’T BBC. It’s Channel 4. And listen to the person who commented who is in the acting industry he/she knows a bit more about it.

    I’m not sure if it is to test his audience or to test Steve. We’ll see. Why not wait?
    But. All the things I have said are to count the arguments. so far.

    Can I just say in reply to other comments, I would stay there and wait for them to turn around just out of a morbid fascination which what the virus does to people.

  186. Written by Kirsty
    on 29/10/2012 at 3:01 am
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    RE the water bottles… Obviously the clip is edited, it is all edited to fit into an hour show.
    On the final clip where the water bottles have supposedly disappeared, you can clearly see on behind Steve’s right foot under the chair.
    If you look at the position of Steve’s feet and the bottles in the earlier clip, you will see that when he moved his feet to change position, he could have easily kicked these bottles under the seat.
    The bottles didn’t disappear, they are there if you look properly.
    One mystery solved.
    As for the rest, I will watch on Friday and see what happens.

  187. Written by ash
    on 29/10/2012 at 3:03 am
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    Why is the URL professionalpeople.org when that isn’t the URL for professional actors? http://www.castingcallpro.com/uk/index.php
    you get http://www.professionalpeople.org/ before you’re redirected.

  188. Written by Kirsty
    on 29/10/2012 at 3:05 am
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    *one behind Steve’s right foot

  189. Written by Grumpy Git
    on 29/10/2012 at 9:38 am
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    Derren has Tweeted:

    —————————————-
    Derren Brown ‏@DerrenBrown
    Conspiracy theory flying around that Steven is an actor, cos he looks like a guy in a noodle ad. I NEVER EVER fake stunts with actors.

    Derren Brown ‏@DerrenBrown
    Plus his whole family/friends would have to be actors too. And all REAL family/friends quietly killed…
    —————————————-

    I think it has been established that his brother Barry, is a professional actor as shown on his Facebook page.

    So now Derren, the master of manipulation will be on the case to convince people who doubt the whole thing.

    As for the noodle advert. Yes, we know that is not Steve but I feel this is the only defense Derren has right now.

  190. Written by derrenbrownexposed
    on 29/10/2012 at 9:40 am
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    To solve the water bottle issue Derren could show us the full continious single shot of steve.

    But what about this post:

    http://derrenbrownexposed.net/2012/10/28/56/

    Its more than just a continuity error as it shows at least part of the show (the setup) was faked

  191. Written by minicam
    on 29/10/2012 at 9:46 am
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    I actually worked on this programme, doing some of the hidden camera footage in Stevens house. I had lunch with him in his front garden on the day of the reveal. If he is an actor, then he did a very good job of convincing all of us filming him that knew nothing about it. Based on what I saw during the filming of the programme I would say it is not possible that he was aware of what was happening to him.

    I would point out that I and one of my colleagues who worked on this with me were sceptics until that day. I’m not sure how much of the material they will show from when he was finally ‘brought round’ but if they show all of what I saw that day there would likely be very few doubters left.

  192. Written by Grumpy Git
    on 29/10/2012 at 9:55 am
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    The Daily Star are reporting on this 🙂 They link back here, it’s also on their front page.

    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/279633/Is-Derren-Brown-s-Apocalypse-a-fake-/

  193. Written by Jen
    on 29/10/2012 at 9:58 am
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    I think it’s all true. You can tell all the other people acting around him are actors pretending to be scared and he is genuinely terrified. On the bus, watching the TV. He is scared.

    Also, the “missing bottles” You can see his legs have moved and the bottles are clearly visible underneath his seat so he’s obviously kicked them back when he moved his feet.

    Ta-da.

  194. Written by Grumpy Git
    on 29/10/2012 at 10:02 am
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    minicam. You would be in clear breach of a non disclosure agreement by commenting about this, especially as part 2 has not been screened yet. There will be an NDA and with heavy penalties for anyone breaching it. Sorry, I don’t buy the whole, “I worked on the show” line.

  195. Written by minicam
    on 29/10/2012 at 10:09 am
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    Grumpy git.

    Be that as it may, I did work on the show, as I have said before installing the hidden cameras you see in Steve’s house. Whether or not you believe me is immeterial.

    I am not breaking any of the terms of non-disclosure, as simply stating that I worked on the show, and that what I saw was most certainly real does nothing of the sort.

    As I said before, perhaps reserve judgment until you see in next week’s episode what I saw when he was made aware of what had happened to him. (Notice here how I do not actually disclose any of the details).

    Thanks.

  196. Written by Grumpy Git
    on 29/10/2012 at 10:24 am
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    ok minicam, fair enough. Still far from convinced.

  197. Written by Grumpy Git
    on 29/10/2012 at 10:27 am
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    I notice that Channel 4 have stated, “Steven is not and never has been a professional actor.”

    We didn’t suggest that he is a professional actor. This would mean that acting is his full time job. Someone that does acting as a hobby or to make a few extra quid in their spare time is NOT a professional actor. Channel 4 are playing this cool but to use the word “professional” makes a lot of difference to this argument. Many people would not know the difference between an “actor” and a “professional actor”.

  198. Written by Joz
    on 29/10/2012 at 10:39 am
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    I have two mutual friends with Barry. Somebody was claiming they were fake profiles earlier.

    Also, the “No stooges” disclaimer COULDN’T be used with this show because it contains hundreds of stooges playing zombies, soldiers etc. Just my two cents’ worth.

  199. Written by Joz
    on 29/10/2012 at 11:24 am
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    I thought it had been fairly established that Barry was a professional actor – I don’t know him myself, but somebody was claiming the Facebook profiles were faked because they didn’t have any mutual friends with them, or know anybody else who did, so I’m just demonstrating that Barry clearly is a real person. The fact that he works as an actor isn’t necessarily indicative of anything as his involvement with the show isn’t really focal.

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